Shrugging my shoulders....

[SharonB]

And what would you consider "proper account"? The Rev. Wright thing was blasted all over every news and cable channel for weeks during the primary. First there were the clips of the sermons, then there was Obama's speech, then Rev. Wright's performance at the National Press Club, then Obama's complete denouncement. This was on the news and cable news for weeks. It didn't sink Obama's campaign then, and I don't see how using it now would help McCain in any way.

Bill Ayers has also been debated to death. The right wing news and talk shows discussed nothing else for weeks on end. Sean Hannity had a full hour devoted to Obama's supposed "radical associations", and this program has been rerun many times. Obama has spoken many times about what kind of relationship he has had with Ayers. It got brought up in the 3rd debate as well.

As for his aunt, I fail to see where this matters one iota about anything. If he knew she was in this country illegally, don't you think he would have done *something* to prevent it from coming out at the last minute like it has?

It seems to me, you aren't going to believe anything Obama has to say on any of these subjects. I think he has accounted for all of them, but you see it differently. I'm not sure what else Obama could say about any of them to satisfy what you feel would be a "proper" accounting.

[KirstenP]

But sometimes being a Senator means making some tough decisions and standing up for what you believe instead of trying to straddle the fence.

The point is, he didn't vote no, because he wasn't against prohibiting sex shops near schools, and he wasn't against keeping sex crime victim's records sealed. He voted present because of his objections to the way some of the bills were written and voting no would have certainly looked differently if he was the only senator to do so.

Kirsten

[freddy]

It is a huge problem.

And none of it matters. None of it is the reason that JM is the better man for the job. None of it is the reason that BO is the lesser man for the job.

JM is the better man because he has experience. He has been there. He knows how to get things done, yada yada yada.

BO is the lesser man because he's the new kid on the block. We don't have time for on the job training. He's never held an executive office and only held a national office for a very short time. He's a great guy. But right now we need proven leadership. yada yada yada.

I'm so sick of hearing about Ayers et al that I could spit wooden nickels. And to hear JM exaggerate and lie about the issue (Ayeres never said he wished he had done more bombing, as specifically claimed by JM) makes it even worse.

[augie]

Definitely not going to cut the mustard

What do you guys mean by it's not going to fly if he becomes president?

Him saying "I didn't know my AG did this when ordering the detainees at Gitmo to be released. . . " or "I wasn't aware that my SOS said that while visiting Iran" or "I didn't know my chief of staff* said that . . . "


*rumored top contender for chief of staff, Rahm Emmanuel, said that "Republicans can go [bleep] themselves" . . . but I'm sure Obama had no idea that he ever said that -- gag

[augie]

And none of it matters. None of it is the reason that JM is the better man for the job. None of it is the reason that BO is the lesser man for the job.

JM is the better man because he has experience. He has been there. He knows how to get things done, yada yada yada.

BO is the lesser man because he's the new kid on the block. We don't have time for on the job training. He's never held an executive office and only held a national office for a very short time. He's a great guy. But right now we need proven leadership. yada yada yada.

I'm so sick of hearing about Ayers et al that I could spit wooden nickels. And to hear JM exaggerate and lie about the issue (Ayeres never said he wished he had done more bombing, as specifically claimed by JM) makes it even worse.

Well, if it's not a problem then by all means Obama should rejoin Trinity Church.

The election is less than 24 hours away! I hope that in a few months those of voting for McCain are thinking about Obama/Wright/Ayers/Khalidi and saying "whew, that was close."

[CHLetts]

I guess you're right....

You believe he's honest. I don't. End of story.

CL

[CHLetts]

Exactly.

nt

[augie]

And what would you consider "proper account"?

. . .

Oh, I don't know, actually being asked a genuinely tough question or two about would be a good start.

Remember the big flap when Bush spoke at Bob Jones University? The media flogged and lambasted him endlessly for associating with such a radical. . . due to one campaign speech at the university. Imagine if Bush had sat in Bob Jones' pew for 20 years. Imagine if Bob Jones had married him and Laura. Imagine if Barbara and Jenna had been baptized by Bob Jones. Imagine if Bush wrote a book with a title inspired by one of Bob Jones' favorite phrases. Imagine if Bush referred to Bob Jones as an inspiration, mentor and close advisor. Imagine if Bush still stood by Bob Jones even after his radical notions were spread across the national airwaves.

[SharonB]

It worked for Bush, didn't it?

Oh, I didn't know Scooter Libby was revealing the name of a covert CIA operative.

I didn't know that my good buddy Alberto Gonzalez was firing US Attorneys for political purposes and using illegal hiring practices at the DOJ.

I didn't know that Hurricane Katrina victims might need some federal help, or that maybe the best guy to run FEMA *wasn't* some political hack whose only job qualification was running a trade group for arabian horses.

I didn't know that Iraq could turn into a quagmire, or that Saddam really *wasn't* reconstituting nuclear weapons. Dick Cheney swore he was.

I didn't know that waterboarding was torture when I announced that the United States doesn't torture people.

And on and on.....

[SharonB]

Oh, I don't know, actually being asked a genuinely tough question or two about would be a good start.

He was on Meet the Press shortly after the whole flap erupted and answered *numerous* questions from Tim Russert about it. He was asked about it at one of the primary debates. He was asked about it at nearly every press avail he did at that time. What, would you have him strapped to a chair answering questions you felt were appropriate until he elicited the response that satisfied you?

I just don't get it.

[augie]

It worked for Bush, didn't it?

. . .

Well then Obama has reason to hope. Oh yeah - and if someone asks a tough question he can always ban them a la NY Post, Dallas Morning News, WashTimes and a couple TV stations that dared bring up the facts.

[augie]

He was on Meet the Press shortly after the whole flap erupted and answered *numerous* questions from Tim Russert about it. He was asked about it at one of the primary debates. He was asked about it at nearly every press avail he did at that time. What, would you have him strapped to a chair answering questions you felt were appropriate until he elicited the response that satisfied you?

I just don't get it.

It keeps coming up because the Rev. Wright issue is truly indefensible.

[SharonB]

Well then Obama has reason to hope. Oh yeah - and if someone asks a tough question he can always ban them a la NY Post, Dallas Morning News, WashTimes and a couple TV stations that dared bring up the facts.

McCain started banning people from his plane weeks ago.

[LauraG1]

My thoughts exactly.

[CHLetts]

So "Change we need" is not really

change indeed! I think I'll copyright that......


C.